Showing posts with label europc. Show all posts
Showing posts with label europc. Show all posts

Thursday, 16 July 2015

Return of the Schneider Euro PC



I've bought another Schneider Euro PC. This one has the power supply included+Schneider Joystick and mouse. The computer has a game card installed, which is pretty useless though: it simply has two joystick ports.

The outer appearance was very promising: virtually no yellowing on the computer or the keyboard.

Compare this to my other Euro PC, which I discussed here. In this picture, it's the one below.

The case yellowing is not as visible from the photo, but it's there.

However, a look at the inside revealed a sad truth: the battery has died and corroded some parts of the PCB.

Does not look too bad? Look at the surface mounted chip peeping at the bottom right.
Nurture, not nature. My other Euro PC computer had yellowed heavily, but the board had remained intact. The reverse has happened here, the board has suffered but not the cover.

I of course removed the battery. Also, did some reading on the net, and it appears that the PCB corrosion is a many-splendored thing. It would be best to take a board with this damage to a professional...

Well, I simply lathered the PCB with WD40 (Good enough for your dad, good enough for you) and started cleaning it with Q-tips and scratching between pins with a paper knife. Edit: I've since learned you're NOT supposed to use WD40 for cleaning PCBs.

I'd like to say this heroic activity had some positive outcome. But... no, on power-up the machine just lets out one horrendous wailing beep, and that's it.


Connecting to Commodore 1084S

It's not all sadness and gloom, though. At least I got a proper power supply for my older Schneider Euro PC, which has been proven to work. Also, as I now have a monitor with TTL RGB support I could easily connect my Euro PC to it. I could have arranged both by other means, but it would have been more trouble. 

Now what to do? The Euro PC has the only working PC floppy drive in the house.
I still needed the cable, though. I went to a flea market and bought a fat old SCART cable. My soldering has gotten (more) rusty, so building the cable took a surprisingly long time. Hint: It's worth removing all the unneeded wires near the end so you can fit it into the DIN housing...  It's also a great idea to shove the DIN rubber housing on the cable before soldering the connector.

My monitor has the DIN variant of the TTL RGB, other monitors may have the 9-pin D SUB. Note the absence of SCART type connector.

In the end, contrary to all past experiences, my cable worked on the first go.

The information is not too hard to find out but here are the pinouts anyway:

Euro PC monitor pinout at the back of the computer:
1 Ground
2 Ground
3 Red
4 Green
5 Blue
6 Intensity
7 Monovideo
8 Horizontal Sync
9 Vertical Sync

Commodore 1084S TTL RGB (DIN 45326) at the back of the monitor:

1 Status comp
2 Red
3 Green
4 Blue
5 Intensity
6 Ground
7 Horizontal Sync /CS
8 Vertical Sync

I connected everything directly to their corresponding pins. I connected the two grounds from the Euro PC to the one ground pin of the monitor. The "status comp" I connected to the "Monovideo".

Tuesday, 12 March 2013

Schneider EuroPC


More of a picture show again, I haven't been able to get this fully working. I've got some beeps out of the BIOS but as I do not have a display, I'm unsure about the performance of this unit.

(Edit: It does work. Check this blog post for more info.)

I would not have guessed that I'd see PCs as being very nostalgic as yet. But it's true, some of the more "family-friendly" brands of PCs have been around for more than 25 years. EuroPC's appearance owes to Amiga and Atari ST, with everything inside the same unit. Compared to these multimedia machines, it's a rather laughable set: 8088 processor, Hercules/CGA display adapter, beeper sound.

I think it has 512 k of memory instead of 640, no hard drive as standard. As an entry-level PC, it would have been nice, I guess. It would run word processors and things like that quite well. Learning how to use a PC and MS-DOS might have been important to many at those times, and why not take this route? I'm still glad I had an Atari ST instead, though.

It's yellowed somewhat...
The motherboard is not that big compared to the case. It goes to show how PC tech was actually quite small at that point. There's no need for ventilation, fans and big internal power supply units which took quite a lot of room in the more serious models.

Looking inside, the layout's not much different to Amstrad CPC or Sinclair 128 machines. It's also tempting to draw some comparisons between the general layout of EuroPC and Sinclair QL (Board at the middle, expansion space to the left, storage to the right.) Of course, here one of the more attractive aspect of PCs is lost: It's not very expandable. There's only one (8-bit) ISA port, no room for hard drive etc.

Squeezing somewhat, the heart of the computer could fit in 50% less width.
Doing some net searches, I've learned that pretty much the same hardware was also packaged as Sinclair PC200 and Amstrad PC20. There seemed to be some kind of minor rush to get these "desktop" PCs into the market, that vaguely looked like Amiga or Atari, to try to ride on their success. This I think was largely a failure, but Schneider EuroPC, I've understood was still a pretty popular and well regarded computer. I don't have the numbers but I'm a afraid it might have been a bit too expensive compared to Amiga 500 and the likes, on face of the lack of features. I do remember this being advertised back in the day and that was at least my impression back then.

At the bottom of the picture, the external hard drive connector.
It has the most pins ever I've seen in an external connector.
The hard drive, I though initially might have something to do with IDE, but not really. It might be possible the computer can be made to work with IDE hard drives with an 8-bit card. I could work with floppies, though, it's not like software back in the day was very big.

For me, the display issue is the biggest turn-off here. There's a 9-pin connector for a display at the back of the computer, and as I've learned a VGA monitor does not easily connect to this computer.

Three options seem to present itself: 

1. Connect to some monitor from that time: CM-8833-II, or Commodore 1084, with 9-pin TTL inputs. 
2. Buy a 8-bit VGA adapter card. 
3. Get a video-adapter box that transforms legacy outputs into VGA.

Options 2 and 3 would somehow miss the point, as lot of the "feel" of using this computer would be lost. But I would also be disappointed to get one of those old, large displays which are not guaranteed to work anyway. So, it looks like I won't be using this computer anytime soon.

Edit: It's possible to make a CGA-Scart RGB conversion box and connect to an RGB display. It's somewhat more complex than a simple RGB cable, though, but probably the best option now.


Case possibilities

This does not preclude from thinking about interesting casemods. What impresses me with the EuroPC is that the case and the chassis that keeps the keyboard together are very well designed for dis-assembling and putting the computer together. Nothing like the Amigas and Ataris which were really painful to tear apart. Also, the keyboard unit lies on a sturdy metal frame, which is simply laid over the plastic bottom. 

Please tell me it was designed by Germans, I'll believe it.
The computer almost looks prettier without the plastic top.
Opening the plastic case requires finding the correct points at the backside of the seam, but after knowing this the process is simplicity itself. These are pushed in and the lid lifts from the backside and then sort of hinges upward from the front. Some force needs to be used, but also some care, as the plastic clips may break. After the backside has been loosened the case top has to be yanked out with some force and it will come loose. 

Opening the case with a flat-head screwdriver.
Starting from the corner, the clip positions are pushed in and out one by one.
Then there's one cable that connects to the metal frame, but this is not screwed in. After taking it loose the metal frame can be pulled out and turned upside down, hinged on the ribbon cable that connects it to the motherboard. If there are screws that keep the case together, I don't think they are required. The screws that keep the floppy drive in position need not be removed. 

Attention to detail.
I'm not too keen to get the EuroPC up and running, but maybe I would not want to ruin it entirely either. Because the insides are so nicely arranged, one could fit many quite interesting things under the frame. The depth of the board is something like 17-18 cm, so possibly, a ZXevolution, or any modern motherboard with mini-ITX form factor might be made to fit inside. (Dunno if the mini-ITX boards are a bit too tall, though, what with the heatsinks and all.)

However, the keyboard is not something one can easily make work with these solutions. So there would have to be either a complete rewiring of the keys (again!) or a modern keyboard, which would be a bit difficult to fit.

The keyboard membrane

I had to have a peep into the keyboard unit, and no, I don't think there will be any "rewiring" of these keys.
Click to zoom in. It's awesome.
Looking inside the keyboard unit reveals what is, apart from a very few exceptions, an one-layer keyboard membrane. I wonder if it is computer-generated, because I can sort of see the human brain getting a bit messed when trying to come up with something like this. Each of the keys complete the circuit, rather than push together two layers. As the connection points for each one key are somewhat apart, other lines, unrelated to that key, can go between the connection points. Nice.